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So as I've mentioned previously, I'm working on this lesbian historic romance short story about Duchess Margaret of Parma and the poet Laudomia Forteguerri. This isn't erotica, but I do postulate a sexual relationship between them that will be made unambiguous in the story, although not described in explicit language.

Margaret of Parma was fourteen years old when she married Alessandro de' Medici. The marriage contract included an agreement that he wouldn't try to consummate the marriage for the first six months. It is unclear whether he ever did as the six months were up just around the time he was assassinated. He may well have, though in my story, he never quite got around to it.

Margaret was married again at age sixteen to Ottavio Farnese who was a year younger than her. Based on various correspondence and the date of her first (and only) pregnancy, it appears this marriage was not consummated for 5-6 years (i.e., when Margaret was perhaps 21 and Ottavio 20).

But here's the dilemma. The obvious, rational, and reasonable date on which my characters Margaret and Laudomia begin their sexual relationship falls between those two marriages, when Margaret is 16 and Laudomia is 23. From a modern standpoint, this counts as an adult having sex with a minor. From a historic standpoint, Margaret was counted as being quite solidly of an age suitable for marriage and sex. If I were writing a historic biography and recorded that the 26-year-old Alessandro de' Medici had sex with his 15-year-old bride, that would be a statement of probable historic fact. If I write a fictitious scene in which a 16-year-old Margaret has sex with a woman of 23….

I can dodge the question somewhat by simply avoiding any specific mention of her age at the time, though it's hard to avoid having enough context that readers could calculate it if they cared to. And, as I said above, we're not talking about descriptions that go beyond kissing and cuddling (though with the implication of more). What do people think about fiction in historic settings where the acceptable age of sexual maturity was lower than modern laws allow for?

Date: 2015-01-18 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ritaxis.livejournal.com
Developmentally and without referencing modern sex panic, sixteen year olds are very much like eighteen year olds, and we consider eitheen ear olds old enough to have sex with someone in their earlyu twenties.

I think the whole thing can be dealt with by having Laudomia acknowledge that Margaret is young but also reflect that she has been married and is in fact a widow.

Aren't widows kind of expected to be pretty sexual people in a lot of cultures anyway?

Date: 2015-01-18 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hrj.livejournal.com
I'm not sure it would make sense for Laudomia to comment on her being young -- after all, it's likely Laudomia herself was married at 16 or 17. (She had her first child at 18.)

Date: 2015-01-18 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ritaxis.livejournal.com
Exactly. "She is but a bud, and already a widow: and I too, was such a bud, not so long ago..."

But now that I write it out it looks creepier than leaving it alone altogether. Oh well!

What I was trying to get to was a thing where they put each other on an equal footing, over the issue of marriage, etc.

I do think it is interesting that Margaret got a marriage contract stipulating that she shouldn't have sex until she was older. I assume that had more to do with the fact that much younger mothers are more likely to die in childbirth.

Date: 2015-01-18 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hrj.livejournal.com
The delayed consummation may have been part of a compromise that was an alternative to delaying the wedding further. The Medicis were pretty anxious about Charles V changing his mind (again) about going forward with the marriage at all. Margaret had been spending the few years before that in Naples solidly still in Hapsburg hands. The Medicis were worried enough about "a slip twixt the cup and the lip" that they pushed for a civil contract to be finalized there in Naples rather than waiting on the formal religious ceremony in Florence with all the possible delays that would entail. Fourteen was still young for all the duties of marriage even by Italian and imperial family standards and the negotiations had been going on (and blowing hot and cold) since she was six.

Date: 2015-01-18 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ritaxis.livejournal.com
Because I have a vague mind I thought for a moment you were talking about my favorite Charles and I was wondering why I hadn't read about this before on my own-- but I was wrong. My Charles is Charles the Fourth, not the Fifth.

Anyway, all of that is understandable. The Medicis wanted the marriage so badly because of her dowry, or her connections?

Date: 2015-01-18 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hrj.livejournal.com
Not the dowry, as far as I can tell. Pretty much every major Italian family at that time was playing off France and the Holy Roman Empire (which at that point included Spain and the Netherlands) against each other. Both of Margaret's marriages were to families that wanted a solid foot in the HRE camp and, not entirely coincidentally, both involved families that included the current pope at the time of the marriage.

This is all stuff that I've picked up just in doing the research for this story. I haven't really paid that much detailed attention to either Italy or the 16th century previously.

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